As mentioned earlier, I have conducted a small interview with Charley Kyd – an Excel MVP, author of four books and 50+ articles for various national media, owner of exceluser.com and creator of popular products like plug-n-play excel dashboard kit. He sent me the answers almost a week back, but I could push the interview only today due to my travel and settling down stuff. As expected the interview is very entertaining and useful. I hope you like this.
Q: What are your 3 favorite formulas?
I don’t have favorite formulas, but here are three functions I use all the time:
- INDEX
- MATCH (with the third argument equal to zero)
- SUMPRODUCT
Q: If I am an excel newbie, what three books or resources you would recommend?
MrExcel.com forum for asking questions
Check out Microsoft discussion groups and microsoft.public.excel newsgroup for asking questions
Q: How can managers and analysts be more productive in using excel?
- Don’t upgrade to Excel 2007, or, if you do, keep a copy of Excel 2003 on your computer. (When you install 2007 on top of 2003, answer No when the install program asks if you want to upgrade to the new version.)
- Wherever possible, separate your data from your presentation, then use formulas to pull your data into your presentation. (My three “favorite” functions help you to do that.)
- Learn shortcut keys. In versions prior to Excel 2007, the Alt key commands are consistent. And 2007, allows you to use the earlier versions’ Alt-key combinations for many things.
Q: What resources (books, websites) would you recommend for this type of people?
I’ll be talking more about separating data and presentation at ExcelUser.com over the coming year. Subscribe to my newsletter to be alerted about developments.
Q: Do you think a small business owner run her shop using excel and few free tools ? What you suggest her?
Yes and no. I would not recommend that you use Excel for accounting. Quicken is really inexpensive and does a much better job. But Excel can help in many other ways, including analysis, forecasting, pricing, and so on.
Q: Where do you think most of us waste a lot of time while using excel ?
- Importing data from other systems / sources?
We perform the same reporting or analytical task over and over again, but with different data. When you notice yourself doing this, try to come up with ways that you can use formulas in one workbook to pull the data you need from a data workbook. That way, you can merely point your analysis or presentation to an updated data workbook without having to do everything over again from scratch.
- Formulas and errors ?
Many people don’t know how to switch to manual calculation. (Tools, Options, Calculation, Manual.) This allows us to work on a big spreadsheet without waiting for it to calculate all the time. Then, when we want to calculate, we merely press the F9 key.Many people create much larger workbooks and spreadsheets than they should, and then get lost in them. I try to keep my workbooks and spreadsheets small, unless I have a specific reason not to do so.
Many people create many links between workbooks. This is a problem because the links can break, or get broken, or generate circular calculation errors. I try to link only from data to presentation.
Assume we have a column of data in the range A5:A10. If we want to sum that data, people generally enter the formula =SUM(A5:A10). Instead, I format cells A4 and A11 with a full border and gray fill. Then I sum using the range A4:A11. This allows me to add or delete rows between the gray borders without having to worry about formulas that reference that data. As long as I don’t touch the two gray border rows, I know I’m safe. (I don’t use this approach if I’m going to print the page for others, because it looks ugly. But that’s not a problem most of the time.)
- Formatting ?
I try never to use Merge Cells for centering labels across several columns. (In fact, I doubt that I’ve used Merge Cells more than half a dozen times, *ever*.) Instead, I use Format, Cells, Alignment, Horizontal, Center Across Selection. This achieves the same results but without my having to deal with the problems that merged cells creates.
- VBA ? VBA is very powerful, and can be a lot of fun. But be careful, it can grow to be an addiction. Most VBA users have found themselves spending hours to write a program that saves them several minutes. That’s obviously not a good use of our time.I try very hard to comment my code heavily. And when I look at old code, I *always* wish that I had commented it even more heavily. When you’re in the middle of a project, the reason for each line of code is obvious. But six months later, the whole thing is a mystery. COMMENT YOUR CODE.
Q: What is the best way for a non-programmer to learn and use VBA in her day to day work?
- Stay with a version of Excel prior to 2007, for two reasons: There aren’t any good macro books about 2007, and the macro recorder doesn’t work for a lot of what you do in 2007.
- Get a beginners book and start to experiment.
- Use the macro recorder and look at the results.
- Ask questions in newsgroups and forums.
- Get to know the Object Browser. (In the VBE, choose View, Object Browser. Or merely press the F2 key.)
I am very thankful to Charley for agreeing for this interview and sharing his views on some of the day to day excel issues all of us face. Many thanks to commenters who suggested some of the questions. I hope you found this interview helpful. Let me know through comments or email what you think about this.
Also share your ideas on who else should be interviewed?
40 Responses to “Lost Excel Functions”
Of all the functions, I think the BAHTTEXT function is the biggest "Why is this here???"
It's use would be limited to a very, very small demographic. A better function would have been a generic translate function where you pick the language (even if it was only the top 5 or something...)
Lost by whose definition? Some people use these functions(me). There are alot of words in English dictionary that aren't used.
This is a great post, especially because I love Lost. Thanks!
See the following blog post on Excel Semi-Pro which identifies the flaws with the DATEDIF function.
http://excelsemipro.com/2011/01/how-many-years-months-and-days-has-it-been/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ExcelSemi-pro+%28Excel+Semi-Pro%29
Nice Post Hui. It is amazing what is in the program that you have never heard of. I typed in =d and looked at the functions. "Delta" popped out although it is documented, why would you ever use it vs. just comparing with an equal sign (=1=1).
I use Datedif at times. What will be nice is if alternatives to these "Lost" functions can also be posted with examples. That'll be a good reading and also deter users from using functions "soon to be made obsolete"
I don't think the intersect AND logic is very well documented:
=B1:B3 A2:C2 One intersection
=SUM(D9:F9 E8:F10) Two intersections
=SUM(D9:F9 E8:E10 F8:F10) No intersection --> #NULL! Not seen very often
There might be a OR logic lurking as well
//Ola
Interesting post! 😉
I found out that only "evaluate" isn't available in my excel 2007.
Great post, thanks Hui! 🙂
@Fred
Evaluate is a Excel 4 Macro Function and not a spreadsheet function
It can only be used in Named Ranges and VBA, not as a spreadsheet function.
@OlaSa
I forgot all about the 2 Operators you mention.
Daniel at Excel Hero has done a story about them at: http://www.excelhero.com/blog/2010/06/which-function-to-use---part-1.html
@Steve T
Yes, Delta and Gestep are odd functions and easily replaced with alternative logic.
These 2 functions may have uses in handling ranges and not just single cells.
I read somewhere not too long ago (at Daily Dose, possible) that BAHTTEXT is "rumoured" to be a self-interested joke by the MS Excel programmers: although this function would be at least equally useful for other currencies, they did the baht first because they're extremely partial to Thai takeaways and wanted to speed up the turnaround time
...and why isn't there a reverse ROMAN?
there is, just replace Roman with Arabic
=ROMAN(2023) is MMXXIII
=ARABIC("mmxxiii") is 2023
Hi Hui,
I think you have mis-defined the Result range name because you have made the name relative. The proper formula should have been
=EVALUATE($A$1).
NB: I use the technique in this post: http://www.jkp-ads.com/articles/chartanequation00.asp
Found this posting with some User Defined Functions and VBA for reversing Roman Numerals:
http://www.excelbanter.com/showthread.php?t=141566
Hi Hui - Thanks for the post - a little off the excel topic, but wondering what does "you"ll be the full bottle" mean? Have never heard this expression before. 🙂
@Tra
“you'll be the full bottle” is Aussie slang for "You'll know all about it"
@Jan Karel Pieterse
Thanx for the input
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=Evaluate(A1) is ok as long as A1 is the active cell
It can create problems if it isn't.
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Ideally it should be entered as =EVALUATE(SheetName!$A$1)
I have updated the post accordingly
Further info on DELTA:
Have 1 cell formatted to number (a1), and the other formatted to text (a2).
Type the number 1 into both cells
The formula:
=A1=A2
returns FALSE (number does not equal text)
formula:
=DELTA(A1,A2)
returns 1 (the equivalent of true). I see limited places where this would be useful, but wanted to point out that they do function differently.
In Excel2010
I just tried Delta with
2 2 =Delta(A2, B2) =1
'2 '2 =Delta(A3, B3) =1
'2 2 =Delta(A4, B4) =1
C C =Delta(A5, B5) =#Value!
Lines 3 & 4 should also give errors but don't ?
The formatting of the cells shouldn't affect the results as that is just for display
Great post.
Interesting that the roman function returns a #value! if you go any higher than 3999
@Chandoo Not trying to be a shameless self promoter (I just want to spread the Excel awesomeness) but I've found an obscure way to create a mouse-over effect in Excel using the Hyperlink() formula and some VBA. I've used this technique in some of my dashboards at work, and as an example of how it's useful, you could use it in the Grammy Bump chart to simply let users rollover a year instead of clicking on it. I talk about it in the latest post of my rarely updated blog which is linked on my name in this post. Or, here's the long and short of it:
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=HYPERLINK(MyFunction(), "Mouseover me!")
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Then in some module:
Public Function MyFunction()
Msgbox "hi!"
End Function
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To test: place your mouse over the underlined portion of the cell. To make the entire-cell a mouse over target (not just the underlined portion), word wrap it. Also, if you want the function to change parts of your spreadsheet, you'll need to wrap the Hyperlink formula in an IFERROR (you'll see what I mean when you try it). Or you can read about it by clicking on my name, either way, make sure to have fun!
@Hui
Seems like DELTA has the advantage in being able to recognize "text as numbers". And yes, thanks for clarifying my statement about formatting. I should have been clearer in the fact that I just wanted to compare a text string with a number...in which case, maybe I should have just written:
=DELTA(1,"1") 'Results in 1
@Jordan... wow, that is a beautiful trick. I have not yet tested it, but seems like it has lots of potential. Let me play with the idea and may be write a follow-up article on this.
Btw, you are welcome to share information and links. That is the whole point of commenting. 🙂
Alright, i am no engineer, but a simple formula can also do what Delta does without having a whole function for it. That is like creating a function called Add (Syntax =Add(a1,a2) that results in the addition of A1+A2
This will do what delta does on numbers and textNumbers and its not rocket science or structural engineering 🙂 🙂
=VALUE(A1)=VALUE(A2) will also yield true/false
And if you need the result as a number =(VALUE(A3)=VALUE(A4))*1
@SteveT
You know, they invented this function you described in Excel. It is called SUM, not ADD 🙂
There are also functions PRODUCT, SUMPRODUCT and others. All of them simple definied, and it doesn't mean they aren't to be in Excel.
Of the under-used functions, I think Evaluate is probably the most useful.
The short UDF presented here:
http://newtonexcelbach.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/evaluate-function/
allows Excel to evaluate functions entered as text, without the need to create named ranges.
An application using this function can be downloaded here:
http://newtonexcelbach.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/section-properties-of-defined-shapes-spreadsheet/
thanks for this. I hope to use "convert" more frequently henceforth
@ruvelk and @Chandoo
I checked out the link you provided (ruvelk) and the explanation given of the intervals 'MD' 'YM' AND 'YD' provided above (Chandoo) and the information is not quite correct.
'MD' returns the number of days since the last completed month.
'YM' returns the number of months since the last completed year.
'YD' returns the number of days since the last completed year.
As far as I can see there is no flaw in the function just perhaps a misunderstanding of what is does.
eg
using the 'MD' interval
02/28/2010 to 01/11/2011
Last completed month = 12/28/2010
Number of days between 12/28/2010 and 01/11/2011 = 14
Using 03/01/2010 to 01/11/2011
Last completed month = 01/01/2011
Number of days between 01/01/2011 and 01/11/2011 = 10
Cheers
Andrew
@Andrew
I think we are talking about the same thing in different ways.
From the post:
"md" Days Excluding Years And Months Complete calendar days between the dates as if they were of the same month and same year.
so using your dates
28/2/10 to 11/1/11 will count 29, 30 and 31 as if they are in January and then the first 11 days in January = 14 days.
That is, it is counting the dates as if they are both in January, same year, and so there is 14 days between them.
Hi,
Can any one tell how to enter data into range of cells through a single cell without the help of VBA.
Regards
Chandra
@ Chandra
Can you be more specific?
@Chandra
If you type this into A1:
={1,2,3;4,5,6;7,8,9}
then select A1:C3 and use Control+Shift+Enter
You will get a 3x3 array in A1:C3
The formula in each cell in that range will be:
{={1,2,3;4,5,6;7,8,9}}
Commas separate columns. Semicolons separate rows,
This is of limited use since the cells in this array cannot be individually edited.
There is at least 1 Excel 4 macro that provides functionality that cannot (AFAIK) be replicated in later versions of Excel. GET.CHART.ITEM is used to get the exact coordinates of chart elements, including the coordinates of individual points in a line graph (or edge and corner cordinates of bars, or columns for those types of graphs). For example:
sngXPos = ExecuteExcel4Macro("get.chart.item(1,1, ""S2P" & lX & """)")
returns the X position of each point in series 2 of a line graph as you iterate from 1 To ActiveChart.SeriesCollection(2).Points.Count
Documentation file for Excel4 macros available at:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/128185
Excel 2010 has incorporated most (but not all?) of this functionality as described here:
http://blogs.office.com/b/microsoft-excel/archive/2010/02/16/migrating-excel-4-macros-to-vba.aspx
Unfortunately, I don’t see Evaluate working in Excel 2010.
I have Microsoft Office Professional Plus 2010.
When I try it myself, or download the example file, I have #NAME?
result in the cell containing “=Result” formula.
The Evaluate function does work in Excel 2010 and 2013.
It is called from a VBA function, so maybe the problem is that macros are not enabled.
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I once ran across an undocumented version of GETPIVOTDATA. The syntax was something like "GETPIVOTDATA($A$3, ...", where $A$# would reference the pivot table then you could concatenate text fields to select the specific data you were after. I found this useful as I could use an IF("condition", "place field text", ""). This way if the "condition" was met it would field data requested otherwise nothing was included. This worked well if nested condition were not available. Hope this is clear. I can't find the alternate syntax for GETPIVOTDATA anywhere. Does someone have it?
@Marty
Yes, GetPivotData is a usefull function but I believe it has been documented since 2007
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/GETPIVOTDATA-function-8c083b99-a922-4ca0-af5e-3af55960761f