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		<title>By: Mutual Fund Tracker - Free Excel Template &#124; Pointy Haired Dilbert: Charting &#38; Excel Tips - Chandoo.org</title>
		<link>http://chandoo.org/wp/2009/07/29/excel-goal-seek-tutorial/#comment-89580</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Find out how much you need for retirement using Excel Goal Seek [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bilsko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilsko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very  useful tutorial. One question about the calculation from a financial perspective, though. 
Shouldn&#039;t the FV calculation include both the interest accrued on the money AND the effect of inflation?  I know that you account for inflation in the future value of the yearly $ required,  but not on the investment side. 
Or is the assumption that the interest rate (8%) is net of any effects of inflation (6.5%)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very  useful tutorial. One question about the calculation from a financial perspective, though.<br />
Shouldn&#8217;t the FV calculation include both the interest accrued on the money AND the effect of inflation?  I know that you account for inflation in the future value of the yearly $ required,  but not on the investment side.<br />
Or is the assumption that the interest rate (8%) is net of any effects of inflation (6.5%)?</p>
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		<title>By: Chandoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chandoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom.. &quot;What I don’t understand is that there is no parameter for how long that I expect to live. In my mind this is a parameter relevant for the calculation.&quot;

Not really. No one knows how long they can live. So instead my calculations find the corpus required for generating annuity forever (technically as long as the person lives). This has 2 advantages - (1) No need to assume the life span (2) the principle is left behind for people inheriting it.

Another option is to find corpus needed to generate annuity for say 20 years (or 40 years). In this case, we would need the life expectancy.

PS: I have corrected the descriptions.

@Mathias: Agree. Goal seek is good at finding solutions for linear and simpler equations. The more complicated it gets, one should either use solver or go for simulations. As you can guess, goal seek uses some kind of brute force to crack the formula. 

Solver on the other hand uses more sophisticated operations research principles like maxima, minima, derivatives, boundaries (most OR problems have solutions at the boundaries alone). But modeling a problem in Solver is much more difficult. Goal seek comes handy in those cases.

Your post highlights some of the problems of this brute force approach. 

@Aires: Very cool tip.. thanks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom.. &#8220;What I don’t understand is that there is no parameter for how long that I expect to live. In my mind this is a parameter relevant for the calculation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not really. No one knows how long they can live. So instead my calculations find the corpus required for generating annuity forever (technically as long as the person lives). This has 2 advantages &#8211; (1) No need to assume the life span (2) the principle is left behind for people inheriting it.</p>
<p>Another option is to find corpus needed to generate annuity for say 20 years (or 40 years). In this case, we would need the life expectancy.</p>
<p>PS: I have corrected the descriptions.</p>
<p>@Mathias: Agree. Goal seek is good at finding solutions for linear and simpler equations. The more complicated it gets, one should either use solver or go for simulations. As you can guess, goal seek uses some kind of brute force to crack the formula. </p>
<p>Solver on the other hand uses more sophisticated operations research principles like maxima, minima, derivatives, boundaries (most OR problems have solutions at the boundaries alone). But modeling a problem in Solver is much more difficult. Goal seek comes handy in those cases.</p>
<p>Your post highlights some of the problems of this brute force approach. </p>
<p>@Aires: Very cool tip.. thanks <img src='http://chandoo.org/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Aires</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Chandoo,

Great tutorial on retirement planning (its always great to teach people how and why can they save money), and with a such powerful yet simple tool as Goal Seek (the poor cousin of Solver, as someone greatly mentioned above).

Just a small tip on using Goal Seek, that often helps me: in your example, you want to make one cell (Annuity Generated) to be equal to another (Corpus needed). A simpler way other than typing the number on the Goal Seek text box is to create a new cell with the difference between both cells (C12-C16, in the example workbook). Then you just need to Goal Seek this cell to zero, changing the blue colored cell (it&#039;s easier than inputing the number manually).

Best regards, Aires</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Chandoo,</p>
<p>Great tutorial on retirement planning (its always great to teach people how and why can they save money), and with a such powerful yet simple tool as Goal Seek (the poor cousin of Solver, as someone greatly mentioned above).</p>
<p>Just a small tip on using Goal Seek, that often helps me: in your example, you want to make one cell (Annuity Generated) to be equal to another (Corpus needed). A simpler way other than typing the number on the Goal Seek text box is to create a new cell with the difference between both cells (C12-C16, in the example workbook). Then you just need to Goal Seek this cell to zero, changing the blue colored cell (it&#8217;s easier than inputing the number manually).</p>
<p>Best regards, Aires</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-07-29 at DeStructUred Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-07-29 at DeStructUred Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mathias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, updated the link to my own post... Goal Seek is not the only one to fail!
http://www.clear-lines.com/blog/post/Excel-Goal-Seek-Caution.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, updated the link to my own post&#8230; Goal Seek is not the only one to fail!<br />
<a href="http://www.clear-lines.com/blog/post/Excel-Goal-Seek-Caution.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.clear-lines.com/blog/post/Excel-Goal-Seek-Caution.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mathias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice post. Goal Seek is one of these hidden gems which adds a lot of value to Excel.

That being said, I also want to warn people that they should take the results of Goal Seek with a large grain of salt. Inspired by your example, I just wrote a post illustrating how Goal Seek can fail miserably in certain cases:

http://www.clear-lines.com/blog/post/Excel-Goal-Seek-Caution!.aspx

Mathias</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice post. Goal Seek is one of these hidden gems which adds a lot of value to Excel.</p>
<p>That being said, I also want to warn people that they should take the results of Goal Seek with a large grain of salt. Inspired by your example, I just wrote a post illustrating how Goal Seek can fail miserably in certain cases:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.clear-lines.com/blog/post/Excel-Goal-Seek-Caution" rel="nofollow">http://www.clear-lines.com/blog/post/Excel-Goal-Seek-Caution</a>!.aspx</p>
<p>Mathias</p>
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		<title>By: buckley</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Thanks for this nice excel sheet.

What I don&#039;t understand is that there is no parameter for how long that I expect to live. In my mind this is a parameter relevant for the calculation.

Regards, Tom

PS. The box with the goal seek instructions contain cell references that are off by 1. For example &quot;3. Set C15 as the cell to set&quot; 
This should be C16 right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Thanks for this nice excel sheet.</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is that there is no parameter for how long that I expect to live. In my mind this is a parameter relevant for the calculation.</p>
<p>Regards, Tom</p>
<p>PS. The box with the goal seek instructions contain cell references that are off by 1. For example &#8220;3. Set C15 as the cell to set&#8221;<br />
This should be C16 right?</p>
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		<title>By: Plan Your Retirement With Excel&#8217;s Goal Seek Function &#124; Lifehacker Australia</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chandoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chandoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@All.. Please download the example workbook. I guess it will make your job simpler.

@Myron: I am not sure if you have implemented this correctly. Why dont you download the example workbook and let me know if it still throws wrong values...

@bon: I use camtasia studio. They have trial version on their website. Give it a try, it is a fine piece of software...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@All.. Please download the example workbook. I guess it will make your job simpler.</p>
<p>@Myron: I am not sure if you have implemented this correctly. Why dont you download the example workbook and let me know if it still throws wrong values&#8230;</p>
<p>@bon: I use camtasia studio. They have trial version on their website. Give it a try, it is a fine piece of software&#8230;</p>
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